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Old February 9th, 2010   TJLamb0518 is offline   #33
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Not everyone is ok with it... Just nothing anyone can do about it at this point. This is DC's current Flash direction. I'm taking a page from your book as you did with Spider-man...I stopped buying the book and pretend the Flash universe ended at Flash #247.
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Old February 9th, 2010   Scott Mateo is offline   #34
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I like this interview but I think EVS needs to re-listen to it himself. He advocates having more scripting power in the artist vs writer struggles, but then he admits that he doesn't learn much about the characters in the DCU.

I'm fine with him not knowing everything about every character, but I don't think you can expect to have editorial/long-term plot power if you don't know much about these characters.
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Yeah, I basically took from that is that he's an artist first, and a comic fan second. Which is fine if you buy comics for art and not the story.
 
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Old February 9th, 2010   Bagged & Boarded is offline   #35
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At least I have Ultimate Spider-Man to keep me happy. You sadly, don't have that outlet.
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Yeah well...I have my back issues and JLU cartoons. Plus there are many great comics still being published. I spend the money on them. Just never thought I would drop the Flash.

I do hope someone posts the images from the Flash hardcover though. I wouldn't mind seeing what Ethan's other sketches were.
 
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Old February 9th, 2010   constant is offline   #36
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So, even in this they say Wally (Lancelot) will be playing second fiddle to Barry (Arthur) and everyone is okay with it because they used Arthurian imagery?
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And because Lancelot is awesome, maybe?
 
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Old February 9th, 2010   Mackaybear is offline   #37
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TJ, please quit tweaking the newer guys....

And turning this into a Barry vs Wally debate will get this thread closed faster than you can blink....

So please go back to talking about Ethan's very interesting podcast.....
 
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Old February 9th, 2010   Flash_Fact is offline   #38
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Not everyone is ok with it... Just nothing anyone can do about it at this point. This is DC's current Flash direction. I'm taking a page from your book as you did with Spider-man...I stopped buying the book and pretend the Flash universe ended at Flash #247.
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Exactly! I'm at least willing to give the new Flash series a shot because GJ has delivered before and I'm intrigued (or perhaps desperate) to see some form of character development for Barry. I did, however, drop Rebirth at #4 and will not be completing my Blackest Night Flash after #2 either.

Perhaps if they do launch that new animated series with Impulse/Kid Flash, that will sate my Flash hunger if the new series does not.
 
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Old February 9th, 2010   Eric Q is offline   #39
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Yeah well...I have my back issues and JLU cartoons. Plus there are many great comics still being published. I spend the money on them. Just never thought I would drop the Flash.

I do hope someone posts the images from the Flash hardcover though. I wouldn't mind seeing what Ethan's other sketches were.
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And I'm sure there's probably a back issue or two that features Wally that you don't have and might be interested in.

Just wait, in time things will shift and you'll probably see Wally again in a role you'll like.
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Old February 9th, 2010   TJLamb0518 is offline   #40
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And I'm sure there's probably a back issue or two that features Wally that you don't have and might be interested in.

Just wait in time, things will shift and you probably see Wally again in a role you'll like.
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That's absolutely right. Everything is cyclical. And besides, they're only comic books. You're not giving up vital medication.
 
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Old February 9th, 2010   Flash_Fact is offline   #41
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Yeah, I basically took from that is that he's an artist first, and a comic fan second. Which is fine if you buy comics for art and not the story.
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This frightens me because long after the 90s push towards image & gimmicks over substance, we finally have a stable of writers who truly see comics as a viable art form, something that should receive critical attention beyond the comic fanbase circles. Now I'm not advocating we lock the artists in dark and dank cells with only an overhead light to draw by and forcefeed them scripts to complete with no input of their own, but perhaps some appreciation or understanding of the characters you are drawing, in some cases, you are inheriting as an artist would only improve the artist's style and reinforce the writer's stories.
 
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Old February 9th, 2010   Matches is offline   #42
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I think I'm with EVS on the writer/ artist thing. It's supposed to be a collaboration, and that implies that the artist is a creator just like the writer. Otherwise you might as well just hire an illustrator and tell the story as prose. The 90's aren't an example of the artist having "too much power"; they're an example of pin-up pages being tossed together without regard to whether they told a coherent sequential story.

Most of the best comics are either the product of a sole writer/ artist, or of a team that truly collaborated. Every now and again a guy like Alan Moore comes along who can lay out every detail in a massive script, but he is the exception, not the rule.
 
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Now I'm not advocating we lock the artists in dark and dank cells with only an overhead light to draw by and forcefeed them scripts to complete with no input of their own, but perhaps some appreciation or understanding of the characters you are drawing, in some cases, you are inheriting as an artist would only improve the artist's style and reinforce the writer's stories.
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Why not ?

It worked in the Golden and Silver Ages.

And the books were on time.....and good....heh
 
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I say give Ethan a shot and let's see what he comes up with. He's earned his spurs at DC, so if he thinks he can do it, he probably can.
 
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Why not ?

It worked in the Golden and Silver Ages.

And the books were on time.....and good....heh
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Quite true! However, the problem with that strategy is then you have to deal with the artist's heirs and children clawing for their bit once the artist has passsed on.
 
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Quite true! However, the problem with that strategy is then you have to deal with the artist's heirs and children clawing for their bit once the artist has passsed on.
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Wait.. what? Most DC and Marvel comics today are created under work-for-hire arrangements. A lot of the Silver and Golden Age stuff wasn't. It's really a completely separate issue from the amount of collaboration between writers and artists. Maybe I'm missing the point of your post?
 
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Quite true! However, the problem with that strategy is then you have to deal with the artist's heirs and children clawing for their bit once the artist has passsed on.
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But it's not your problem...the problem belongs to those who occupy the editorial and publishers chairs after you........

You don't see Schwartz or Weisinger or Mayer or Gaines named in those lawsuits do you?
 
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Quite true! However, the problem with that strategy is then you have to deal with the artist's heirs and children clawing for their bit once the artist has passsed on.
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If they sign one artist to a lifetime contract at 400,000. a year and then clone that artist 50 times.....I think that's a savings right there and the family wouldn't have any legal claims to the clones estate (which,as we all know the clones would bequeath to a university. C'mon, we've all heard of Clone College).....
 
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